Seduction

There are two general methods for being persistent with girls. Each comes with its own benefits and risks. Which one you choose depends on a few key factors.

Hey, guys. Last week, I wrote a post on persistence, a key concept of pickup and seduction that we have discussed numerous times on this site.

There are a lot of misconceptions about persistence, both on a practical and theoretical level. Today, we will discuss the latter – a theoretical perspective on persistence.

This post is primarily theoretical, but the theory also affects the practical application of the technique.

If you are more of a practically oriented person, you should still read this post because it may affect not only the way you view persistence but also the way you use it.

Today’s topic is primarily about two different forms of persistence.

The thing they both have in common is that you will be persisting to get a chick. However, they not only look different, but they also have different implications.

To get laid in a competitive dating market, you need an alluring pitch. You gotta know the customer and present yourself well to gain an edge and close the deal.

You need to market well, but marketing is only attention. Once you get attention, you have to make the sale. I follow this process with women and with Girls Chase.

With Girls Chase, I write articles. I post on Instagram and YouTube. This is all marketing.

Then, over email, phone calls, texting, and Instagram, I sell my private coaching and my book, which will soon be a standalone product, but is an upsell for One Date right now. I had to learn (and am still learning) both sides of the equation.

Marketing is about presenting yourself in a way that’s intriguing and different to people, as the market is very saturated. It’s also about being clear, honest, and entertaining. If people get bored reading or watching you, you won’t sell. If people don’t think what you have to say is new or unique, you won’t sell.

It’s the same when talking to a girl. If your first impression isn’t strong and there’s no external reason for her to give you more attention (e.g., you’re in her social circle), then she will bow out and click on some other video on the sidebar (i.e., another guy at the bar, party, or club).

Sales is taking someone who is in your marketing funnel and converting them into a customer. Someone who clicks “buy” and enters their information. It’s almost as intimate as someone deciding to sleep with you. Almost.

They have to want it but also feel it’s worth the cost. Is it worth shelling out $70 for Hector’s college book? Is it worth spending $2,000 on his coaching?

My frame is, “Yes, it is. It’s worth even more than that, so get it now while it’s this affordable.” The stronger my frame becomes, the better I am at selling and marketing. If you believe in your product, people will believe in it, too.

Some choose to market with deception. They skew who they are. There’s nothing wrong with poetic exaggeration. Every good story is embellished. But if your only strategy is clickbait and false promises, you will eventually be revealed for the fraud you are.

This often happens when you’re good but not great with women. Women will like you and sleep with you. But after spending time with you, the glitches in your character are revealed. This is fine – if you dedicate yourself to improving your product. You.

The product is you.

It’s a proven fact that persistence gets you laid, but there is a fine line between being persistent in an attractive, dominant way vs. coming off as desperate.

Hey guys, welcome back.

Today, we’re going to discuss persistence and its limits. Persistence is a technique commonly used when facing resistance with women. It’s a good way to both:

• Counter her resistance

• Find out whether she is resisting or just not into you

The typical rule says persist three times, and if that doesn’t work, you should back off and consider her behavior a swing of rejection, unless she reinitiates on her own. Obviously, this rule should be broken if you face heavy resistance. You know, the type of behavior that screams “Hell no!” If you encounter those signals, you need to back off fully.

Persistence is attractive because:

• It takes away the woman’s guilt about hooking up – she initially resisted, but you convinced her. This is a good way to counter anti-slut defense-related resistance.

• It shows you’re a man who knows what he wants and is confident enough to go for it.

• It displays dominance, which is also attractive.

There are a lot of misconceptions regarding dominance. Many guys usually confuse persistence with neediness. The line between persistence and neediness – which we know is death to female compliance and attraction – is a fine one that can be difficult to see.

So, let’s look at how to persist the right way without coming off as needy. Some of these points have been discussed before, but I always think recaps of key concepts, especially those which add different perspectives, are useful. Additionally, newer guys will benefit a lot from this post.

Ever had sex with a girl you weren’t that into? Well, the phenomenon works both ways! With enough compliance, you can get laid even if she’s not attracted to you.

Hey guys, welcome back. Today, I’m going to get more theoretical to clear up a few misconceptions that I know many guys have and, more importantly, solve a common paradox many students of seduction suffer from.

We’re going to talk about “attraction”, one of the most common terms in this field, which often gets thrown around without proper definition, making it confusing or meaningless.

Today’s post aims to clarify the concept of “attraction” in a better way, which will not only help you make sense of it but also assist you when reading future posts on seduction.

We will also delve into the psychology behind it, giving you a deeper understanding of the human mind, which will assist you further in your future adventures.

Practically anyone can go from sexless to seduction mastery if they do what it takes. But what does it take? Be ready for a long journey… but one that’s worth it.

One fateful day, I was sitting with a few roommates in my living room, staring bovine-like at the dull, hypnotic glow of the television. A news program came on about pickup artists. A coach was taking a group of awkward men around to various bars and parks, forcing them to approach women. The coach said that any man, no matter who he is, can learn to seduce women with skill.

What Does It Take to Master Pickup?

I ran to my room and googled “pickup artist” while the rest of my roommates picked at their teeth and turned on the PlayStation.

I discovered a whole community that existed in forums, where people discussed PUA philosophies. I read dozens of books like Mystery Method and Double Your Dating. I watched hours of video like The Annihilation Method by Style and so many others. I felt like Harry Potter when he finally realized he didn’t have to live as a muggle anymore – there was a land where magic was real, and with that magic, he could finally get a smoking hot, little pixie to do his sexual bidding. And so, I immediately… did nothing at all.

It took me a year of studying before I decided “enough” and moved to Montreal for the sole purpose of becoming an expert in pickup. Not because I wanted to start a business or impress people on YouTube. Because I wanted to date beautiful women. I didn’t just want to be good at it – I wanted to master it. I wanted to be a Jedi with women.

I went out seven days and nights a week for almost two years. And boy, did I suck at it. It was the hardest but one of the most critical things I ever did, and I don’t regret one tiny bit of that journey – except for that time I caught molluscum from a handjob.

My first night alone at a bar in romantic Montreal. I stood there in that crowded room, surrounded by beautiful people having fun – and pretended to be on my phone.

Yeah, I’m just waiting for my friends. That’s it. Don’t look at me.

Then, after a few more failed nights of inaction, I actually tried approaching girls. Most of them ignored me or were outright annoyed. Some held up their hands, ushering me away. Others just pretended they couldn’t hear me. It was terrible.

A few weeks later, I started getting better reactions and even a few phone numbers. Then, on my 90th night out, I finally got laid.

Does having good game impact whether a girl will be attracted to you? Short answer: yes, if she allows it to. A few key factors influence whether or not she will.

It’s newbie question time!

“Hi, Tony.

I’m very curious about predictable patterns you’ve noticed in women’s behavior that they exhibit immediately after you act a certain way towards them or use certain techniques on them at the right time. For example, after you pass their screens, get past their resistance, or qualify them at the right time, they stop controlling some of their attraction for you.

Their compliance threshold increases and they’re overall more open to moving forward with you. Just how much does this compliance threshold increase on average, and how long do you have to take advantage of it before it decreases? And have you noticed women saying relatively the same thing during this time? Do they actively try to build similarity with you? 

Hope that made sense. Thanks for taking questions!”

Okay, I’m going to break this down from nerd-speak into plain English.

““I’m very curious about predictable patterns you’ve noticed in women’s behavior that they exhibit immediately after you act a certain way towards them or use certain techniques on them at the right time.”

Translation: “Does game actually work?”

Yes, it does, if the woman allows it to. There must be some minuscule amount of attraction locked away deep in her heart. It may have alarm bells, locked doors, and security guards. If this is the case, it’s your job as the seducer to break in and steal it.

Social proof is one of the most powerful seduction tools there is. Use it effectively and you can attract a frenzy of women salivating over your chum.

You’ve probably seen a feeding frenzy on one of those shark documentaries. But have you ever seen a feeding frenzy of social proof? If you’ve done enough game in bars, clubs, and parties, you’ll have experienced this – or at least witnessed it.

There’s a guy who all the women seem to be chasing. Babes are pawing at him for attention. They’re fighting for his time, competing with each other like cats around a milk bowl. This guy has his pick of all the women. It’s like he’s a celebrity.

How does this happen? How can you make it happen for you?

The answer is both incredibly simple and beautifully complex. But any man with enough ambition and work ethic can make it happen. The key is social proof and pre-selection.

Long before I became the international dating coach Tony D, I was a local musician in a small punk band. Back then, I was still shy, introverted, and damaged. I’d always loved women, but I just couldn’t approach them or keep them around.

My neediness, jealousy, and lack of game kept me from attracting the women of my dreams. Except for one huge advantage – I was the singer in a band.

It was a fateful day that I discovered the PUA community. I saw a documentary about pickup artists on TV (back when people watched TV) and was utterly fascinated. They taught me so many concepts like abundance mentality, be the prize, the three-second rule, push-pull, DHV stories, cold reading, kino, and so much more. But the one I could relate to my current experience was social proof. I decided to try it all out at my next gig. I wanted to believe.