Tactics Tuesdays: Talking/Singing to Yourself
Quick tactical tip today.
Sometimes I like to sing or talk quietly to myself as I walk down the sidewalk.
Or as I'm sitting somewhere in a café or bar or park or wherever else I might be.
Quick tactical tip today.
Sometimes I like to sing or talk quietly to myself as I walk down the sidewalk.
Or as I'm sitting somewhere in a café or bar or park or wherever else I might be.
A short while back, one of our forum members shared a report of his in which a girl at a club managed to pry a free drink from him, then keep him following her for much of the night.
He's not an inexperienced guy, and was a bit confused at what happened with her. It seemed like she was into him... however, she continually deflected his requests while making her own (and getting him to comply).
Sometimes you will meet girls like this, who aren't interested in all at following, but will try to lead with you.
These may not always be girls who are disinterested in you. Sometimes they may just be very strong, assertive personality-type women.
If you leave things in their hands, you'll rarely end up with them.
What you must do instead with girls who want to lead is to switch up your strategy:
You must focus, even more than usual, on being the prize.
"Come sit with me," you tell a girl. You've talked with her now for about 15 minutes and it seems like it should be that time.
"Are you always this demanding?" she tells you. She doesn't budge. "The benches here are sooo uncomfortable." She still won't budge.
It dawns on you that this girl is breaking rapport.
You thought you had a good vibe going with her. But now she's refusing you, not directly answering your request, and driving the conversation in a different direction.
What should you do?
Want a fun little way to spice up the endgame of your dates and pickups?
Go skinny dipping...
It might sound silly, but skinny dipping (or 'nude swimming') gets you naked with a girl in a seduction location and allows you to skip a whole lot of normal steps in the end stage of a seduction.
It's also exciting for women, and breaks them out of the normal, regular, boring seduction pattern most guys take them through of kiss --> fondle --> undress --> repeat.
Where practical, it can make seductions smoother, for a variety of important (and pleasurable -- for you and her) reasons.
Sometimes you'll approach a girl, hit it off, things go great, and then she brings up her boyfriend.
Now, if you don't like dealing at all with attached women, you can just hit the exit at that point. If you're more of the "it doesn't really matter to me if she says she has a boyfriend" camp, however, you're going to need a response.
79% of unmarried women are in relationships at any given time. Therefore, unless you're meeting women in venues that select for unattached women (nightlife, dating apps, etc.), you're fairly likely to run into lots of these girls who are already attached.
Assuming you run any day game, transit game, or another style of approaching where you're bound to run into boyfriend-mentions, if you want to seduce these girls, you'll have to address their boyfriends.
Most guys run social circles of some sort.
Often there are a few girls in your social circle who are good-looking but not super into you. Or they might be interested in you but they're not compliant enough you're able to get them out onto dates.
If you're also meeting women from places outside your social circle, there's a tactic you can leverage to use the power of preselection to get women in that circle chasing after you.
We'll just call this 'social circle date showoffs'.
It's both simple to do, and deviously effective.
This is a little technique I developed for myself to guard against inflation.
As a refresher: any time you use a certain tactic too long, it becomes 'inflated'. That is to say, you get predictable and things turn stale.
You can use this with any basic example. Imagine a guy talking to a girl who uses a good "That's what she said!" joke at an opportune time. The girl laughs. It's kind of cheesy, but also a little bit funny.
Three minutes later, he uses the exact same joke. Then another five minutes and he uses it again. Ten minutes after that, he tells her, "That's what she said!" yet again.
By this point, the joke is tired, stale, and inflated, and using it actually hurts the interaction because it feels like this guy has nothing else. He only has the few tricks he's been using, and while they might've felt fresh at first, that freshness is now long gone.
What are this guy's odds to hook up with the girl he's talking to? Not great, and getting lower by the minute. The more time he spends in inflation, the lower his odds become.
When you're learning, or you're rusty, you will tend to find yourself trapped in inflationary spirals at times. You'll realize you're getting boring, stale, and predictable... and then you can feel stuck.
You might start to panic a bit.
What can you do to escape, and salvage things with this girl?
The solution is to use tactics timers as a way to consciously avoid slipping into inflated interactions.
Here's a devious little tactic you can use in social circle settings or anywhere you have a 'captive audience'.
First off: this tactic is not so well suited to cold approach.
You can use it sometimes, in some cold approach scenarios, such as early on in a bar or nightclub (e.g., if you are doing shotgun opening / hit-and-run game).
But it is really best suited to situations where you are going to see a woman again and again.
You are going to use this tactic to get girls to get on-board with the way you want to seduce them or pick them up. It will both make compliant girls feel extra special, and make non-compliant girls become a lot more compliant (if not now, then in the future).
It's simple to do, but it takes some balls.
Want a simple little tactic you can use to bait girls into asking you things you couldn't/wouldn't normally be able to get away with in conversation?
Because there are some things that you really cannot just come out and drop on a girl, without it being too forward or out-of-place.
The solution, if you want to use a really forward compliment or bring up or show her something really sketchy is to lure her into asking you for it, pushing you for it, so that when you finally drop it on her, "she asked for it."
With a little good framing, this is not hard to do at all.
Note: while this tactic is simple, it requires a fair degree of calibration, and thus its use is a bit more advanced. So this will mostly be for intermediate and up guys (and really is for more advanced seducers).
Beginners may still find it interesting to read about, if purely for the psychology aspect.
I recently worked with a hard case guy on a repeated relationship problem he has. Periodically, his relationships fail, inexplicably to him, with every woman he dates peeling off and wanting out.
He's been unable to understand why, but with this latest girl she gave him a lot of very clear feedback, that also mirrors feedback he's gotten from other girlfriends, as well as mirrors my own feeling personally with him.
That feedback was this:
That the girl, despite six months of trying to peel back his layers, was never able to get to know the real him. She feels like, after six months of attempts, she's still right back where she started with him, and is tired of trying.
This is a guy who, in most on-paper respects, should be a desirable guy. He's tall, accomplished, has good fundamentals, and good game. He's well-nigh unshakeable in his frame and is relentlessly optimistic (without being unrealistic). He's an ex-military man and is tough-as-nails, yet is also a religious man and is caring and intelligent, if sometimes not always totally attuned to why a woman is doing what she's doing.
What I realized on looking at how this latest girlfriend quit the relationship is that he isn't letting women peel his layers back properly, and this is causing women to feel like they don't even really know him.
Which in turn causes those women to feel like failures, then causes them to leave.
What I said to him was, "You need to help women peel your layers back properly. You might also need to get more comfortable yourself showing people more of whom you are underneath your armor."